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 Post subject: hpHosts Online officially launched
PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 4:28 am 
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Just an FYI :)

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hpHosts Online officially launched!

I am proud to announce the launch of a brand new online service known as hpHosts Online. This service has been developed partially to allow quick confirmation before reporting site's for inclusion, but also to provide a means for others to confirm whether or not a site is included in the hpHosts file, including those that are not actually using it themselves, but may for example, be trying to help diagnose a problematic website connection for someone else.

At present, this database only includes hostnames, however, I shall be spending as much time as I can, getting additional information on each site, into the database (i.e. why the site is listed, and it's last used IP address).

Provision has also been made for both wild card searches (e.g. *microsoft.*) and direct vURL lookup. Additional options are also available (with more on the way), such as requesting the removal of a hostname, or submitting hostnames for inclusion. Of course, should you notice something missing that you feel would be useful, please do not hesitate to request it.

Visit hpHosts Online at: http://mysteryfcm.co.uk/hphod

I would also like to extend a thankyou to the ladies and gents on the hpHosts forums for their rather unexpected (and suprising) offer of making myself a moderator on the forums. I hope I never give you cause to regret doing such.


http://mysteryfcm.co.uk/?mode=News&date=30-11-2005

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Finally kind of decided on the details layout.... (I say kind of cause I'll probably change my mind again in a few hours, lol)

Example:
http://mysteryfcm.co.uk/hphod/?s=websearch.co.uk

Current IP is pulled dynamically from the actual server being queried, and if not already in the database, is added to the domains record.

Again, suggestions/comments etc most welcome.

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[] [] Looks great Steven. Another forum to join..... :lol:

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That's cool looking Steven, I'm already a 'Mod' there, but don't get to spend much time over looking around.

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hehe, thanks guys :)

It still needs a little work in terms of presentation, but otherwise, I'm quite pleased with it :)

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You probably guessed it wouldn't be long and well, you would have been correct. The HPHO has been updated again.

When passing a domain or IP, hpho will now also display the netblock information (taken from the current IP). Aslong as the various networks don't get irritated at extraneous requests (a little research on the various networks has shown they tend to limit requests to between 1000 - 10,000 per month (depending on the network)), it will be a feature thats going to stay :)**

If for any reason, a domain/IP no longer resolves, this query will be skipped and instead, you will see the following message:

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Invalid IP - Query skipped


I've still got a little work to do to clear up the mapping of the net-blocks to the specific net-block owners (arin, ripe etc), mainly because upto 3 octets have to be considered, which is a royal PITA when speed and resource is to be considered (multiple simultaneous requests are not being considered as a resolution to this). I've got a generic (albeit, old) IP net-block owner map to work with and have gotten the basics of it into the routines. Just need to narrow down the second and third octets so they are also considered, prior to the actual query.

Example: http://mysteryfcm.co.uk/hphod/?s=doubleclick.net

** I've been speaking to hpGuru and if abuse begins to take place, I shall be considering introducing the requirement for either free registration for > (x) queries, or limiting UA/IP to (x) queries per day.

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Congratulations Steven.....well done! [] []

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Thankyou :) though I cannot take credit for the net-block idea as it was hpGuru that came up with that one (I just wrote the code, lol)

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Well, sugar it won't run without the code, don't sell yourself short.

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Hi Steven,

This sounds like a great service. I went to hpHosts and checked out the downloads. Very nice. I haven't been to the forums yet.

Would you care to right up a short blurb about hpHosts and it's services in newbie (my) language? I can put it out sometime soon in a newsletter if you like.

I'm afraid some of the details you've written about below are way over my head. :lol:

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rofl =+- I couldn't help it Clif.

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rofl =+- I couldn't help it Clif.


I am humbled and ashamed. :lol:

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rofl =+- I couldn't help it Clif.


I am humbled and ashamed. :lol:


I didn't do it to make you feel bad.

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Hi Steven,

This sounds like a great service. I went to hpHosts and checked out the downloads. Very nice. I haven't been to the forums yet.

Would you care to right up a short blurb about hpHosts and it's services in newbie (my) language? I can put it out sometime soon in a newsletter if you like.

I'm afraid some of the details you've written about below are way over my head. :lol:


Clif,
Leave it with me :) (in the middle of working on Bob's CMS system atm but will try and get to writing one for you later on)

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Hi Steven,

No rush. Sometime this year will be fine. Just put me in the queue.

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hehe, I'm just about to start it strangely enough (gives me a break from coding ;)).

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Is this okay Clif? (I know I've probably messed up here and there with the grammar etc, but would love opinions on whether or not I've left anything out, and most importantly, whether or not it is easy to understand?).

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A HOST'ed computer is a happy computer!

Unless you have been on vacation on Keflar 12, you will no doubt already be aware of the increase in phishing e-mails, malware infected downloads and websites, and all things generally bad for your computer. 2005 has seen a major increase over the past several years, and it is going to get much worse (why?, things always get worse).

Some people in the security community seem to believe simply changing browsers will prevent infections, however - and this is the funny part, the last few months have proven this is anything but true!. So what do you do?, download a ton of anti-malware? - always a good idea (well, maybe not a ton, but two or three real-time monitors would be a good idea), perhaps you should switch to Linux? - nice, but not practical (and is only less suspectible whilst it's less popular), I know, lets all go out and purchase that all singing all dancing monkey! - thats right, now I'm just being silly.

One of the most over-looked ways of protecting your computer, is by preventing where it can go. The easiest ways of doing this is by using a filter.

By no means a complete solution, the HOSTS file is a default part of Windows and whilst still suspectible to abuse (i.e. malicious software can modify it at will, even when marked as "Read Only"), with a little help from Scotty, can help protect your computer by limiting the site's it can and cannot load.

Though applying to far more than just the browser, I'm going to use the browser in this example to keep things simple.

So for example, if Joe Bloggs wanted to go to snapfiles.com, he would usually just type "snapfiles.com" into the browsers address bar. But wait, what if his system administrator knew that site was bad? (it's not, it's actually a brilliant site). Well, if his administrator wanted it to be blocked, he could just add it to the "Restricted Sites" zone of his browser right?, but then Joe could just use a different browser.

Whilst not trying to be too technical, the HOSTS file works by acting as an inter-mediate between your "client" (not just the browser), and the outside world (i.e. anywhere that is NOT inside your computer). So for example, if Joe's administrator added the following entry into the HOSTS file, NOTHING could access snapfiles.com, be it a browser, an instant messaging program or a malicious application;

127.0.0.1 snapfiles.com

When a connection from your computer is attempted, one of two things occur, depending on how it is configured (both occur by default);

1. Windows looks at the entries in the HOSTS file
2. Windows looks at the DNS (Domain Name System) addresses in the registry

It usually looks in the HOSTS file first, to see if it can cheat and match the hostname (i.e. snapfiles.com) to it's IP (Internet Protocol) address (8.10.179.160). If it cannot find an entry for it in the HOSTS file, it then goes onto look in the registries DNS entries, if it still cannot find it, it will then query your ISP's (Internet Service Providers) DNS servers.

Because in this example, the HOSTS file contains an entry for snapfiles.com, with an IP address of 127.0.0.1, Windows will stop looking and simply use that address, so instead of the browser going to snapfiles.com, it will re-direct the request to your computer. This is because 127.0.0.1 is a reserved address for internal use only (i.e. it is only used by the computer, for the computer, nothing else). As an example, if you typed the following into your browsers address bar, you would (unless you are running a web server) see either "Page cannot be found" or "No web site is configured at this address".

http://127.0.0.1/

The only thing that lets the HOSTS file down is the fact it cannot map IP addresses to other IP addresses (i.e. it cannot map 127.0.0.1 to 0.0.0.0), the reason for this escapes me, but I'm sure Microsoft have excuses for it.

So now I've bored you senseless with details of how the HOSTS file works, where exactly do you get the HOSTS file from?, and how do you get it onto your computer?.

Getting the HOSTS file

The most common and most popular HOSTS file are:

MS MVPS HOSTS: http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm
hpHosts - http://www.hosts-file.net

I personally prefer hpHosts, not only because I am an administrator for their forums (that didn't come until much later (and to be honest, is a decision that still has me baffled)), but because it contains many more host addresses (42,318 as of 08-01-2006) than alternatives and thus, provides greater protection against malicious websites.

hpHosts is a community managed and maintained HOSTS file, meaning YOU help manage it's content. Updated fairly frequently, hpHosts prevents against the loading of malicious, pornographic, spammer and "phishing" websites by mapping all of the host addresses, to your computer (remember what I said above about 127.0.0.1?).

Installing the HOSTS file

The HOSTS file is stored in a single location so is relatively easy to locate.

For Windows 95, 98 and Windows ME

%WinDir%\HOSTS

For all others (including Windows XP)

%WinDir%\System32\Drivers\etc

<i>*%Windir% is a system variable that points to the Windows (aka WinNT) folder.</i>

To prevent accidental deletion, this file is usually hidden from the casual viewer using the "System" attribute. There are two simple ways to remove this, again depending on your version of Windows.

By far the easiest, is by using a "DOS" command window. To access this, you would go to Start > Run and type:

Windows 95, 98 and Windows ME

<b>command</b>

All others (including Windows XP)

<b>cmd</b>

When this window appears, you would enter the following (pressing return after each line) to access the folder containing the file.

For Windows 95, 98 and ME

cd %windir%
attrib -s -r -h hosts
exit

For all others (including Windows XP)

cd %systemroot%\system32\drivers\etc
attrib -s -r -h hosts
exit

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The last line ("exit"), once enter is pressed, then closes the window for you. All in all, this process takes approximately 1-2 seconds (depending on how fast you type of course). Of course, you could dispence with the "cd" command and just issue the attrib command directly;

For Windows 95, 98 and Windows ME

attrib -s -r -h %windir%\hosts

For all others (including Windows XP)

attrib -s -r -h %systemroot%\system32\drivers\etc\hosts

<i>*%Windir% is a system variable that points to the Windows (aka WinNT) folder.</i>

Once those attributes are removed, you can then edit the file to add the new content.

Editing the HOSTS file

To edit the HOSTS file manually, click Start > Run. Then enter the following;

For Windows 9x/ME;

notepad %windir%\HOSTS

For all others (including Windows XP)

notepad %systemroot%\system32\drivers\etc\hosts

NB: %systemroot% is the system variable for the Windows folder on NT and above systems.

IMPORTANT: As the HOSTS file does not have an extension, you must ensure you DO NOT save it with one!!

Protecting the HOSTS file from malware

Unfortunately, for all of the solutions it provides, the HOSTS file has one major weakness, and thats the fact it can be edited at will, by anything or anyone. The best way to protect against this is to use a monitor to prompt you to allow or disallow, changes to the file.

WinPatrol
http://www.winpatrol.com

Third party applications

For those less inclined to edit the HOSTS file manually, the following are excellent FREEWARE programs that allow you to do this.

Hosts file manager: http://mvps.org/PracticallyNerded/Software.htm
DNSKong: http://www.accs-net.com/hosts/DNSKong.html
Hostess: http://accs-net.com/hostess/
Hostsman: http://pwp.netcabo.pt/0413933601/hostsman.html

To toggle the HOSTS file usage by Windows (enabled/disabled).

HostsToggle: http://accs-net.com/hosts/HostsToggle/

Third party HOSTS files

hpHosts*: http://www.hosts-file.net
MVPS: http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm

* An online database of the hpHosts file can now be found at:

hpHosts Online
http://mysteryfcm.co.uk/hphod

Further information

Further information on the HOSTS file, how to use it, and what it can do for you, can be found at;

What is the HOSTS file?
http://www.accs-net.com/hosts/what_is_hosts.html

Blocking Unwanted Parasites with a Hosts File
http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm

HOSTS File: Wholesale blocking
http://castlecops.com/article-5660-nested-0-0.html

The HOSTS file, and what it can do for you
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/tutorial51.html

Protecting the HOSTS file
http://antivirus.about.com/od/securitytips/ss/hosts.htm

NetBIOS Name Resolution Using DNS and the HOSTS File
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=142309

Problems using Internet Explorer with an incorrect HOSTS file
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=219843

Differences between the HOSTS and LMHOSTS files in Windows NT
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=105997

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Interesting read, learnt a few things too (I thought the HOSTS file was only related to IE, not any browser d!).

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I'm curious as to what you guys think about PAC files instead of hosts file?

I point to this Wikipedia post for thoughts on why a hosts file does not work.

And to this artcile by Sheryl Canter

To be honest I have not read about using PAC files, so I'd be interested in hearing everyones opinions

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Thankyou Champion_Munch :)

Tom,
After reading about PAC files, I'm confused as to how they offer better security?. The files themselves, whilst being Javascript, are again, just plain text (and make things 10 times more difficult to edit for non JS users in the process), so can easily be modified by malware.

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Is this okay Clif? (I know I've probably messed up here and there with the grammar etc, but would love opinions on whether or not I've left anything out, and most importantly, whether or not it is easy to understand?).


Hi Steven,

I can work with what you have there. I may break it up into two articles. One article dealing with HOSTS, the other assuming you know what a HOSTS file is, would tell about hpHOSTS and why you like it.

How does that sound?

Lots of information in it. Way more than I need, but I hate to throw anything away. LOL

Thanks for the article, I may not be able to use it right away, but I'll put it in the queue. You should see something by this time next month. I'll bring you in on the draft, to check for errors.

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Clif,
No problem :) ... feel free to use and abuse it as you wish ;)

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Just an FYI ... I've updated HPHO to give better results for IP queries.

Instead of doing queries on the actual IP passed "as is", it now strips the last octet from the IP to give results of all IP's within a certain range.

For example, if you passed:

38.117.144.7

It will no longer display only that the IP was not found in the "hosts" field (matches to the hostname), it will also display any other hosts within the range;

38.117.144.

Which is the same results you would get if you'd passed:

38.117.144.*

Hope this makes sense ...

Any other suggestions you may have are of course, always welcome.

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Makes perfect sense for what you are doing with it. Good job sir!

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Yep, I've been at it again :lol: (hopefully the last, hehe (keep finding stuff to improve)).

I've modified the DB query so when you search for a domain without the "www.", it will select all matches both with and without this prefix.

I actually hadn't noticed I'd not already done this until Ken's post about klipfarm.com in the hpHosts forums :?

Prior to this modification, if you did a query for "klipfarm.com", the result would be a "Not found" message, whereas doing a search for "www.klipfarm.com" would yield a "host found" message. This modification resolves this so querying with or without (in the case of klipfarm.com) will yield a "host found" message.

Where the query does NOT include "www." but the query WITH "www." is found in the DB, the following will be displayed next to the query;

(Listed with www. prefix only)

Example:

http://mysteryfcm.co.uk/hphod/?s=klipfarm.com

Hope this wasn't too confusing (confused myself now lol, so am going back to my Earl Grey)

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MFCM, thx much for the resource. Nicely done. I found myself using a ref just today; http://www.spywarewarrior.com/viewtopic.php?t=19194

TM, PAC/Hosts = apples/oranges As far as I know, the only thing in common is that both support blocklists. I use several PACs with ProxySwitcher toggling multiple chains. I don't think the average user would appreciate PAC use tho.

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You're welcome :) ... cheers for the heads up ;)

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Mikey I have not seen too many that prefer PACs over hosts, but enough to ask about them, thanks for offering your opinion.

I think the hosts file will be an easier method of blocking for the average Net user.

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